Daisy's Netflix world is being shaken once again LOL and Daisy isn't quite sure how she feels about it. Netflix has announced they are separating there Streaming and DVD business' The DVD mail order business will now be called Qwikster (interesting name) and Streaming will remain Netflix and will be accessed from different sites. Rumor is they are probably getting ready to sell the mail order business. Ho Hum. What to do, What to do. Only time will tell. Interesting this comes on the heels of my other thread about hooking up to network TV on the internet. Didn't know this prior to my thread. So we will just wait and see. May be making some changes in the not so distant future.



Netflix Splits Streaming and DVD Businesses, Creates Separate Sites for Each


Qwikster: Not to Be Confused with Quixtar, QuickStar, Kwikster, Quickster, Kwik Star, Quik-Star or Kickstar - Techland - TIME.com

Good thing I do not have a lot of time to watch movies, etc.

Personally I'm glad they got rid of the DVD's, just makes it more confusing trying to explain to your mother that she can't watch something becuase it isn't on streaming when it shows up in a netflix search online.

I've had netflix for almost a year, never had them send a single dvd to me.

And btw Daisy, network tv on the internet doesn't work well here in the US.

"...network tv on the internet doesn't work well here in the US. "

How do you guys feel about Apple Tv, Ustream or Livestream? Just wondering...

Ustream's worked pretty well for most of the starcraft II competitions I watched on it.

Thats not network tv though. (thankfully)

Originally Posted by William

Personally I'm glad they got rid of the DVD's, just makes it more confusing trying to explain to your mother that she can't watch something becuase it isn't on streaming when it shows up in a netflix search online.

I've had netflix for almost a year, never had them send a single dvd to me.

And btw Daisy, network tv on the internet doesn't work well here in the US.

Personally, I think I would be on board if they streamed everything new and old movies, series and the like. And completely eliminated the DVD mail delivery. There are some good picks among the Streaming, but right now, not enough. Just want to be able to see the things have been seeing on DVD. Remembered telling a friend pretty sure streaming will eliminate cable eventually. Of course there are always torrents (just kidding)

Originally Posted by daisymae70

Personally, I think I would be on board if they streamed everything new and old movies, series and the like. And completely eliminated the DVD mail delivery. There are some good picks among the Streaming, but right now, not enough. Just want to be able to see the things have been seeing on DVD. Remembered telling a friend pretty sure streaming will eliminate cable eventually. Of course there are always torrents (just kidding)

Go on i dare ya.

The cause of this whole mess is something called Doctrine of First Sale and how it applies to 1 side of their business and not the other.

The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell, lend or give away) a particular lawfully made copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. This means that the copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy ends once ownership of that copy has passed to someone else, as long as the copy itself is not an infringing copy. This doctrine is also referred to as the "right of first sale," "first sale rule," or "exhaustion rule."

Basically as soon as a DVD is released to stores, netflix can go and buy 50,000 copies and start renting them out. In order to stream them however they need to get licensing permission and work a deal with the rights-holders.

That's why there is always more on DVD than on streaming. Also, by separating them they make sure that streamers money isn't paying for dvd mail shipping and dvd renter money isn't being used to pay for licensing agreements.

It makes so much sense that its bound to blow up on someone -.-.

hahaha..

Further down the wikipedia page:

In 2008, in Timothy S. Vernor v. Autodesk Inc.,[7] a U.S. Federal District Judge in Washington rejected a software vendor's argument that it only licensed copies of its software, rather than selling them, and that therefore any resale of the software constituted copyright infringement. Judge Richard A. Jones cited first-sale doctrine when ruling that a reseller was entitled to sell used copies of the vendor's software regardless of any licensing agreement that might have bound the software's previous owners because the transaction resembled a sale and not a temporary licensing arrangement.

Way to get smacked down Autodesk....

and then our legal system made me sad ; ;

In 2010 however, the judgment against Autodesk was overturned and the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit held that the sale of the software was indeed a lease and not a sale. Because there was no sale, the court held that the First Sale Doctrine did not apply and remanded the case for further proceedings.

[QUOTE=William;23404]The cause of this whole mess is something called Doctrine of First Sale and how it applies to 1 side of their business and not the other.

Basically as soon as a DVD is released to stores, netflix can go and buy 50,000 copies and start renting them out. In order to stream them however they need to get licensing permission and work a deal with the rights-holders.

That's why there is always more on DVD than on streaming. Also, by separating them they make sure that streamers money isn't paying for dvd mail shipping and dvd renter money isn't being used to pay for licensing agreements.


Reed Hastings CEO of Netlix was quoted as saying "Neflix will add "substantial streaming content in the next few months and reassured that there are no more pricing changes. He should run for office. Somehow I find that hard to believe. I figured there was probably some licensing issue involved.